Episodes

  • Rob and Kaihan join Kimberly to talk about their new book, Proximity: How Coming Breakthroughs in Just-in-Time Transform Business, Society, and Daily Life. Highlighting the failures that laid the foundation for the success stories of how to attain P = 0, Rob and Kaihan offer ways to bring consumers and producers closer together while achieving greater sustainability in the process. Innovations as diverse as specialty lab-grown meats, 3D-printed inoculations, and virtual reality implants show how much more immersed we are in a world of on-demand, proximate goods and services than we might realize.
    Rob, Kaihan, and Kimberly spend time considering:

    If Covid-19 was the catalyst or just another building block toward digital adoption

    Whether proximity technologies are going to put most of us out of work

    Whether increased demand for minerals will be just as exploitative an industry as the fossil fuel it’s likely to replace

    Whether we colonize Mars because it’s one more planet humans can (irresponsibly) exploit

    How both developing and developed countries can benefit from the leapfrogging proximity technologies

    The possibility that AI takes over the world, justifying the fears of Campaign to Stop Killer Robots


    Ways businesses can integrate proximity into their strategies

    For more on her thoughts about Proximity, check out Kimberly’s Substack post


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    Follow Kaihan Krippendorff on X, LinkedIn, and his website

  • A country finally attempts to implement more stringent fossil fuel regulations and before the law is even passed (or not, in the case of the U.S.), the policy sends companies on a spree to mine, dig, and drill as quickly as possible. This ‘Green Paradox’ raises the question of how on Earth humans are going to meet the UN’s Climate Change COP28 goals in time to avoid planetary meltdown.
    Harold Hotelling’s 1935 theory of extraction set up Hans-Werner Sinn’s ‘The Green Paradox’, which holds up under rigorous study. Faced with faster extraction, governments need to keep emissions in check, but confront obstacles at home and abroad. Michael and Kimberly consider how quickly it is possible to feasibly enact achievable policies that simultaneously protect domestic businesses and politicians’ seats, while avoiding ‘spatial carbon leakage’.
    Tune in as Michael and Kimberly lay out the pros and cons of the Cap & Trade System, numerous sectors—even the clothing industry—are affected by emissions targets, and why even the most evolved IGO in the world regularly deals with groups protesting everything from farm policies to bans on combustion engines. And for more about the issues, check out Kimberly’s Substack notes.
    Key Topics

    Whether the UN’s ambitious ‘global stocktake’ to drastically cut greenhouse gas emissions will be foiled by an army of Jolly Green Giant Paradoxes

    How the capitalist market encourages Green Paradoxes, not only in the fossil fuel industry, but in other sectors affected by climate change policy

    Why the international community and individual countries struggle to counter the effects of a Green Paradox


    The variety of ways Big Oil has worked to stall being displaced by greener alternatives

    How the EU’s ETS, the US’s Waxman-Markey Climate Bill, and China’s 14th Five-Year Plan have fallen prey to The Green Paradox


    Why Michael and Kimberly remain optimistic about tackling climate change, despite evidence stacked up against global efforts to mitigate pollution


    Recommended Resources

    Hans-Werner Sinn’s short overview of The Green Paradox


    The UN’s ‘Global Stocktake’ climate action plan


    One analyst's argument that The Green Paradox extends to consumers

    Kimberly’s supplemental Substack post on To Green or Not To Green: That is the Question (also linked below)

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  • Would you rather live in London or Gothenburg? For more excitement and a lush 174 sq. ft. of green space per person (and to skip Duolingo Swedish lessons), you might choose London, but for future sustainable security, Gothenburg might be the better bet. Unless hard-pressed, you’re far less likely to Lagos, Nigeria, despite its 6.5% annual growth rate and less than 10 square feet of green space per person.
    The appeal of cities puts more pressure on urban planners with increased urbanization and outdated—or in the case of developing countries—practically non-existent infrastructure. Whether it’s traffic jams or strained water supplies, cities need to devise sustainable management methods.
    While governments recognize that sustainable development necessarily includes promoting human security and environmental protections, it’s a tough balancing act, defined by the economic bottom line. Facing rapid urbanization and the need for green spaces, Global South countries struggle not only to develop, but in a sustainable manner. And what’s more, perhaps the biggest hurdle they face is developing public-private partnerships to attract investments that alleviate the need for continued government subsidies.
    Key Topics

    What, exactly, qualifies a city as sustainable?

    Why Michael argues the UN is too ambitious in Sustainable Development Goal #11, “making cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable”

    Michael and Kimberly butt heads over the IESE Business School’s “Top 10 Smart & Sustainable Cities” ranking system

    How smart can a city be when a government decides to create it from the ground up-the amazing feat of Cyberjaya and desert cities

    The ambitious Net-Zero, Green Roofs, Million Trees, and 100% Climate-Proof sustainable city initiatives of London, Toronto, NYC, and Rotterdam

    China’s daunting undertaking of Integrated Urban Water Management, a.k.a. Sponge City Program (should have gone with SpongeBob City Program, for certain!)


    Recommended Resources

    UN Sustainable Development Goal #11


    IESE Business School Smart & Sustainable City rankings


    What makes a city Smart & Sustainable


    China's Sponge City Program


    Building a city from scratch- the latest on Cyberjaya, Dubai Internet City, and the pictures promised of Tianjin


    We Were Promised Smart Cities

    Kimberly's supplemental Substack post on cities' sustainability challenges

  • In Episode 7, delving into the global clothing industry, Michael and Kimberly iron out the difference between fast fashion, ultra-fast fashion, and slow fashion—the sustainability reaction to these trends. A brief look at why we are tempted to fill our closets and drawers sets up consideration of the effects of the global clothing supply chain, what policy-makers are doing, and options for clothes-horses, the trendiest -core fans, and the average shopper.
    Key Topics

    Who we have to thank for the birth of ‘fast fashion’ and ‘ultra-fast fashion’

    How mixed fabrics, waterproof gear, and stretchy clothes combine with a ‘race to the bottom’ for a clothing production and consumption sustainability nightmare

    The complex web of the global supply chain that links clothing firms to subcontractors to our doorstep

    When ‘thrifting’ became a verb and how it burdens the poor both at home and abroad

    How and what governments and MNCs are doing and need to do better

    Why the cost-per-wear calculation can fill your closet while saving you a pile of money

    That not just reduce, but repair and repurpose are useful fashion tips

    How a mall entrance was actually a portal to a different dimension for Michael and Kimberly


    Recommended Resources


    Good on You rates companies’ practices on the planet, people, and animals (turns out Madewell's not as good as I thought!)

    What is your garment's cost-per-wear?


    The latest UNEP report, a compilation of useful stats at Earth.org, a business review of fast fashion, and why the McKinsey report on The State of Fashion indicates a need for sustainable practices

    For legal eagles, the NY bill, the CA bill, the US FABRIC Act, EU’s ESPR, and what Australia is considering

    To prime you for a future episode, some wildly alternative fabrics and leather sources

  • In Episode 6, Michael and Kimberly put on their academic hats to discuss Commodity Fetishism, a concept Karl Marx used to explain what compels consumers to buy the stuff we do and, ultimately, how understanding this fetishism helps us get out of the sustainability hole we’ve dug.

    Key Topics

    Why we care more about the ‘perceived value’ of a Ralph Lauren Polo shirt than the ‘real value’ of a plain old polo shirt

    Why we can blame the Industrial Revolution for not talking to the person next to us who’s also been called for jury duty

    Why ordinary people couldn’t afford the décor and houses that came out of the Arts & Crafts Movement

    That there’s more to the global supply chain than just the goods we buy

    Why you should be on the lookout for the ‘hidden cost externalities’ lurking all around us

    Whether buying more stuff that’s ethically produced is better than buying nothing at all

    How, despite some arguments, picking low-hanging fruit can lead to a Sustainable Planet


    Recommended Resources

    If you're up for it, Karl Marx on Commodity Fetishism


    Eric Pickersgill's Removed series, a photo commentary on the impact smartphones


    The Day the World Stops Shopping, suggested by a Sustainable Planet listener after hearing Episode 2


    If you're into videos, here's one about Commodity Fetishism

  • Michael and Kimberly trace the history of the 'Beyond Petroleum' campaign sent us all off to calculate our carbon footprint, how to cast a wider Climate Shadow, and suggest that we should probably cut Bill Gates some slack for flying in his private plane.
    Key Topics

    How British Petroleum's campaign to rebrand itself as ‘Beyond Petroleum’ has us wondering whether foregoing air travel or counting our produce consumption will help us to lower our impact

    Why Emma Pattee decided that our shadow casts much bigger than our footprint, so we should consider not just our quantifiable consumption, but our choices and actions that impact climate change

    Whether celebrities should get a free pass to jet-set around the world on their private planes while drinking bottled Fiji brand water

    Why Kimberly thinks people on the future Earth we’ve destroyed will be wondering why we tossed so many useable resources into landfills, cursing us, as they scavenge to survive

    How Michael lost the battle of the thermostat in the household search of the lowest hanging fruit to decrease our carbon footprint, but won the climate shadow battle at the Northern Kentucky University Board of Regents meetings to ditch bottled water

    That personal impact and collective action are important to save the world not just from climate change, but all those other pesky environmental and humanitarian issues we’ve caused


    Recommended Resources

    Earth Overshoot Day

    The BP campaign 'sham' reminded someone else of the Keep America Beautiful campaign, but for different reasons

    For low-hanging fruit suggestions for every aspect of your life, check out Give a Sh*t or this interview with author Ashlee Piper

    Unless it's necessary, be a trendsetter and ditch the bottled water

  • As Sustainable Planet's cross-interview with The Politics Guys, Kimberly talks with Akshat Rathi, award-winning senior reporter for Bloomberg News and host of Bloomberg Green's climate podcast, Zero, about his new book, Climate Capitalism: Winning the Race to Zero Emissions and Solving the Crisis of Our Age.
    Listen to Part One of the interview on The Politics Guys
    Topics Kimberly & Akshat discuss include:

    How a misinformed campaign marketing slogan about ‘clean coal’ led Akshat into the year-long pursuit of uncovering the truth about climate technology

    Why economists feel the way to address climate change is to put a price on carbon

    How to achieve negative carbon emissions since zero emissions alone isn’t enough

    Why, when it comes to electric cars, you’ve never heard of Wan Gang, though Elon Musk is a household name

    Why the very industries that created lithium-ion batteries, solar cells, and carbon capture and storage are so resistant to employing that technology

    How private capital from billionaires like Bill Gates and anyone with a 401K plan is a key part of pursuing climate technology

    That climate justice is both ethically the right path but also reaps global economic benefits

    The need to shift from ‘shareholder’ to ‘stakeholder’ if we’re going to meet the less-ambitious Paris Conference climate change goals


    Akshat Rathi on X

  • Food waste might not be at the top of anyone's "Top 10 List of Worst Environmental Offenders," yet the impact is huge and far-reaching. The United Nations revealed we waste so much food that it's 5 times the CO2 caused by the aviation industry! When we waste food, we also waste every resource that goes into producing that food. Listen to find out how to avoid food waste in pursuit of a more Sustainable Planet.

  • Just how huge of an impact does the livestock industry have on the planet? The Economist developed its 'Big Mac Index' to indicate currency values based on the cost of a McDonald's Big Mac. We consider the many costs to people and the planet not included in the price of a Big Mac burger.
    Key Topics

    Find out why our diets are taxing the planet

    How eating meat is an inefficient way to convert plants to calories

    Why, for so many reasons, it's so challenging to forgo eating meat and dairy products

    The many ways that governments are huge supporters of the meat and dairy industries

    A plant-based diet can be nutritious and even delicious- just listen to what Michael has to say about adopting a vegan diet

    How to consume less meat, including meat alternatives, lab-grown meat, and even insects

    Skipping beef just one meal a week can make a huge difference for the planet, and a Meatless Monday can help change the world

    Recommended Resources

    The UN's guide to Food and Climate Change: Healthy Diets for a Healthier Planet


    Small changes can make a big difference - Tulane's study on food and climate change


    The livestock industry and climate change

    Concerned about animals and protein intake?


    One Green Planet and VegNews are one-stop sites for recipes and info about a plant-based diet

  • At every turn, people feel compelled to buy stuff. We examine how consumerism took hold of us, the sorts of policies governments enact that encourage or discourage consumption, and what reasonable changes people can make to be kinder to the planet.
    Key Topics

    The growing list of Rs-Reduce, Reuse, Repair, Repurpose, Reinvent, Reimagine, Recycle

    Living in a single-use, disposable consumer society that's encouraged to buy more stuff

    The dual ecological nightmare of credit cards

    Why people in developed countries need to cut back when most people in developing countries need to consume more

    How the capitalist economic system sets us up to buy more stuff

    That planned obsolescence (along with the functional and psychological versions) is not a 21st-century invention

    How we can consume less and not feel horrifically unhappy


    Recommended Resources


    A Brief History of Consumer Culture outlines how we became consumers

    Though a bit dated, Plastic: A Toxic Love Story remains a relevant and worthwhile read


    Mr. Money Mustache and the FIRE movement

  • In their premiere episode, Michael and Kimberly talk about what they've learned over the decades as university professors, introduce sustainability, give an overview of its key challenges, and consider what living more sustainably involves.

    Key Topics

    What a 14th-century tuberculosis epidemic has to do with conspicuous consumption

    Why living in a developed country is way worse for the planet than living in a developing country

    Whether population growth really affects sustainability in the way we might think

    That achieving a sustainable future goes beyond just protecting the environment, but also requires meeting people's basic needs

    Common myths about climate change and achieving a Sustainable Planet

    Why we should be hopeful that through even the smallest actions, we can achieve a more sustainable path moving forward


    Recommended Resources

    Though in need of a 2nd edition, Kimberly's book, From Jicama to Jackfruit, remains a worthwhile read

    Michael's book, Navigating the News, could also use an update, considering its message is more relevant than ever

    Kimberly's interview with 8 Billion & Counting author Jennifer Sciubba


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